17:37:32 From Laura : Laura (she/her), not in a community currently but interested to learn more about finding land and starting co-ops 17:38:18 From CJ OReilly : If anyone has joined and missed the prompts for the chat: name & pronouns community name status of your computer - land ownership something you did related to community today 17:40:42 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Grace here, they/she, hi! Former resident at Dancing Rabbit (MO) and member at Twin Oaks (VA), currently looking for land in New England with a set budget. 🙂 17:40:53 From SJ Casciato : Living and Farming feels better together! lots of work to do and fun in the sun to be had! 17:41:10 From Paula Willis : Paula she/her. No community. ??? Don’t understand the question Connected with a friend 17:41:14 From christinachimera : Sustainability, connection, community, activism 17:41:15 From Julie Pitts : community is super important and being physically close to your community is critical and this seems like a good way to make that happen 17:41:19 From Jordan Lockaby : why community? to share resources to reduce impact on the earth, to share in child rearing and homesteading work, to grow interpersonally by having multiple deep relationships that require work and communication work, oh, and FUN! 17:41:20 From Amber they/them : Most likely way to be able to have access to land, have community nearby to care for each other 17:41:21 From erika (she/her) : Everything feels more possible when done together, pooled resources, resilience for uncertain future 17:41:22 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : I want to see more BIPOC land ownership! The intentional community movement is awesome 17:41:27 From Gillian Kerner : Reacted to "I want to see more B..." with 👏 17:41:28 From Paula Willis : Community because we are our connections 17:41:30 From nathanmorrison : Closing the loops, self sufficiency 17:41:33 From Laura : Seems like a way to live more sustainably, makes owning land more attainable, living with others instead of being isolated 17:41:41 From nathanmorrison : Support beyond financial means 17:41:42 From Kelso : Social/economic/environmental sustainability. Transitional practices from capitalism as we know it to something better. 17:41:43 From Julie : Being part of a collective where everyone has a role 17:41:46 From kel : landback, solidarity with indigenous peoples, decolonization 17:41:50 From jennifertuft : More integration with nature. Visible flow of resources. Security. 17:41:53 From Sandeep Prakash : Interested in novel relationship models between humans and with earth. Safe space for psychedelic work 17:41:54 From Nicci she/her : A move away from individualism towards community 17:41:54 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Replying to "Grace here, they/she..." Currently Reading Pam Dawling's Sustainable Market Farming! Twin Oaks sounds rad! 17:41:55 From CAnn : Reculturing away from hyperindividualism 17:42:04 From Anna : Being part of a village that raises children since I don't want to birth any and think it's too much for 2 peeps...and cozy loving fam vibes in daily life. 17:42:04 From erika (she/her) : Post capitalism resilience strategy 17:42:06 From Kira Lee : Living without planning every single interaction 17:42:07 From Trevor Baker : Affordability, permaculture, future-proofing against the chaos 17:42:13 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Reacted to "landback, solidarity..." with 👍 17:42:13 From Alan Webb : I think my motivation is really about helping move as much land as possible out of the speculative market with all of the predictable cycles of violence that brings with it every generation, and shifting more ownership in particular to Black, Brown, Poor, and Indigenous communities to help us all heal from the harms of colonization, land theft, slavery, and development. 17:42:14 From Brooks : To be collectively liberated from the colonial empire byway of giving land back to the indigenous communities while also bringing back the commons (land means food housing water medicine) to the ppl. 17:42:15 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Reacted to "landback, solidarity..." with ❤️ 17:42:16 From Anna Demetrides : Feeding ourselves and each other, community arts projects, deeper connections 17:42:17 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Removed a 👍 reaction from "landback, solidarity..." 17:42:18 From Lauren Stickels : Surviving the fall of capitalism with safe people and being able to give outward through mutual aid and community 17:42:25 From Jonah : It provides a solution to some of the problems that come with conventional property ownership, and offers a more efficient (and hopefully fun!) way to co-exist. 17:42:29 From Kelso : Reacted to "Post capitalism resi..." with ❤️ 17:42:33 From Gillian Kerner : Reacted to "Living without plann..." with ❤️ 17:42:34 From matthewbennett : resilience, relationships, sharing inputs and outputs, land based economies 17:42:36 From Laura : Reacted to "I think my motivatio..." with ❤️ 17:42:46 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "why community? to sh..." with 😍 17:42:52 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : affordability (I would not be able to own land otherwise), working toward more co-operative living in general, ability to respond to climate change hyperlocally 17:43:20 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Reacted to "I think my motivatio..." with ❤️ 17:43:33 From Brooks : Reacted to "affordability (I wou…" with ❤️ 17:43:42 From Brooks : Removed a ❤️ reaction from "affordability (I wou…" 17:43:50 From kel : Reacted to "I think my motivatio..." with ❤️ 17:43:53 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "Interested in novel ..." with 😍 17:44:02 From Paula Willis : Please, what is the link to the presentation? 17:44:23 From Brooks : Reacted to "Feeding ourselves an…" with ❤️ 17:44:27 From nathanmorrison : Replying to "Please, what is the ..." It’s at the very top of the chat 17:44:27 From SJ Casciato : reciprocity! 17:44:38 From Laura : Reacted to "reciprocity!" with ❤️ 17:44:39 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : Longer timeframe than 1 human lifespan 17:44:41 From Sandeep Prakash : Reacted to reciprocity! with "❤️" 17:44:42 From Alan Webb : Thinking on generational timescales 17:44:47 From CJ OReilly : https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/e/2PACX-1vSsX1euiEJH_6Wf90-pGhRp55WCHydfvfNY48XdWVh6b2_poh2cdDUPK0tjv94XMJ7qm85KKUqFavXb/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000 17:44:49 From erika (she/her) : Right relationship 17:44:50 From Nicci she/her : Being in relationship with the land and nature 17:44:55 From Paula Willis : Stewardship: responsible use, sustainability 17:44:55 From Sandeep Prakash : Reacted to Thinking on generati... with "❤️" 17:44:57 From Brooks : Reacted to "I think my motivatio…" with ❤️ 17:44:58 From Kelso : Respect for the thing itself and a desire to work towards growth and betterment 17:44:58 From jennifertuft : invitation to accountability 17:45:01 From Anna (she/her) : Thinking about impact on future generations 17:45:06 From Julie : Caring more deeply with an eye toward future generations and relationship with the land 17:45:17 From Anna : Longterm investment and more intentional care for the land/community 17:45:18 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Ownership implies hierarchy/human supremacy. Stewardship implies working with the ecosystem 17:45:18 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : dominate culture (owning), vs. servant culture (stewardship) 17:45:19 From Amber they/them : Decolonizing our perception of land - not owning and dominating, but taking care of 17:45:20 From Jordan Lockaby : stewardship to me implies more interconnectedness, aware of the impact on others beyond the individual 17:45:39 From CAnn : Right relationship with the land and all the other than human beings 17:45:45 From Brooks : Food medicine water housing systems for generations to come 17:45:54 From Jonah : being responsible to the earth vs. the legal system 17:46:13 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Reacted to "being responsible to..." with 👍 17:51:26 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Or low density housing developments 17:52:25 From Julie : I was part of an effort 15 years ago to put a CE on 80 acres of forest in may neighborhood and then was on the board of the land trust for a few years 17:54:19 From Alivia Michalski : My understanding is that you cannot get ones value out from the land but you could get it from a structure built on it, is this the case? 17:54:47 From Jordan Lockaby : seems like the trust model (not being able to get your money back) is really hard for those of us raised in capitalist culture! how to discuss this / help people feel safe with others when coming from that mindset? 17:59:10 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : 501c25… agrarian commons, we’re looking at starting one 17:59:53 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : This would be a holding entity controlled by community members in various rural areas, which would own multiple farm properties and lease them for low cost long term leases (like 50-99 years) to farmers 18:00:09 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Reacted to "This would be a hold..." with ❤️ 18:04:24 From Alan Webb : You mentioned land back. Do you know of any Indigenous-led people, entities organized and ready to receive land in that way in WNC, CJ? 18:04:39 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : CJ- 303-630-9237 18:04:40 From Alan Webb : (Or trying to) 18:04:41 From Lauren Stickels : 303-630-9237 CJ 18:04:58 From Mikel : Reacted to "CJ- 303-630-9237" with ❤️ 18:05:02 From Mikel : Reacted to "303-630-9237 CJ" with ❤️ 18:05:22 From Kelso : Can you be specific about why you all chose LLC over cooperative? 18:05:31 From Jordan Lockaby : which attorney did y’all work with? 18:05:47 From Mikel : Reacted to "which attorney did y..." with 👍 18:06:16 From Alan Webb : Also, LLC’s (or any entity, nonprofit, etc.) can function as cooperatives, regardless of legal structure, as long as its bylaws have cooperative tenants baked in 18:06:17 From CJ OReilly : Steve Virgil 18:07:55 From Mikel : I can't find Steve Virgil Regen Law easily on Google, please share some way to contact or the website 18:08:09 From Jordan Lockaby : why didn’t weave the people use that? 18:08:18 From Alan Webb : For example: one resource for starting a “democratic” or “worker-owned” or “cooperative” nonprofit: https://www.theselc.org/nonprofit_democracy_network 18:08:48 From Jordan Lockaby : the board members cannot be owners or members? 18:09:43 From SJ Casciato : board members have to be "disinterested parties" 18:12:40 From SJ Casciato : Replying to "board members have t..." for 501C3 status specifically 18:12:55 From Mikel : Steve Virgil comes up with a professor at Wake Forest University and ReGen law is in London England. I think several of us would very much like to find your lawyer for our projects around Asheville. No rush just making sure we can get that info. 18:13:39 From Mikel : Thank you❤️ 18:14:21 From Amber they/them : Yeah that place is cute 🙂 18:18:42 From Alan Webb : Anyone make a beautiful diagram / tree of Earth Haven’s model? 18:19:38 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : A housing coop legally needs to have a minimum of 5 members to get going, so a group of people with less than 5 adults might start with an LLC then later transition to an actual. Housing coop 18:20:28 From Kira Lee : I think 12 tribes Gladheart Farms is a local example of this. Some would say a light cult 18:20:38 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "I think 12 tribes Gl..." with 😂 18:20:44 From Mikel : Reacted to "I think 12 tribes Gl..." with 😂 18:20:45 From Gillian Kerner : Reacted to "I think 12 tribes Gl..." with 😂 18:21:25 From Lauren Stickels : Replying to "I think 12 tribes Gl..." All the way cult 18:23:14 From Trevor Baker : I like that dub effect 18:23:23 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : jah 18:24:28 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : point of curiosity for me, but is there a minimum number of individuals required to form a 501-d? 18:27:42 From nathanmorrison : How many hours did you pay your lawyer for? 18:28:32 From Jordan Lockaby : Reacted to "How many hours did y..." with 👍 18:32:43 From Jordan Lockaby : 2 years... 18:32:54 From Julie Pitts : 2-3 years 18:32:55 From Alan Webb : 10 years 18:32:55 From Trevor Baker : 1-2 months 18:33:04 From Lauren Stickels : 6 Months to 1 year 18:33:16 From Audra Schroeder : 1.5-2 yrs 18:33:20 From nathanmorrison : 2-3 years 18:33:20 From christinachimera : 6 months to 1 year 18:33:24 From Kelso : The truth is continually revealed 18:33:24 From Trevor Baker : On decision making processes 18:35:10 From Jordan Lockaby : how long in total was your due diligence period? 18:35:13 From erika (she/her) : And that timeline was after already identifying the land 18:36:13 From Jordan Lockaby : are you going to speak about yall’s financing? 18:40:20 From Alan Webb : Including, some core members may decide it is not a fit at this stage (which is good) 18:41:53 From kel : my community garden's mission statement: 490 Farmers seeks to learn alongside Rochester residents & youth to build community, hold land in common, & foster food sovereignty through urban agriculture. Guided by principles of mutual aid, we aim to steward a space where all feel welcome & integral to this mission, thereby pushing our city toward a more resilient & equitable future. 18:42:00 From Alan Webb : Healing and repair across lineages 18:42:13 From Alivia Michalski : It is the mission of The Beginning Place to facilitate a nurturing and wholesome environment for children to grow up in. Our priorities in achieving this are: affordable housing, resource security, and a network of dependable relationships. 18:42:22 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "Healing and repair a..." with 🩶 18:42:27 From kel : Reacted to "Healing and repair a..." with 🩶 18:42:32 From Lauren Stickels : We have a loose vision that needs definition. The vision is really based on collective understanding of how we relate to one another and how we treat our home. 18:42:45 From Dave Hamilton : Reacted to "Healing and repair a..." with ❤️ 18:44:22 From Mikel : Reacted to "We have a loose visi..." with ❤️ 18:46:43 From nathanmorrison : No pain no gain 18:46:44 From Gillian Kerner : Learning how to actually trust your neighbor again. Dissolving of white supremacy culture 18:46:50 From Alan Webb : Relearning how to live in a multicultural democratic society 18:47:16 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Reacted to "Relearning how to li..." with ❤️ 18:47:17 From nathanmorrison : Great chance to look at one’s own shadow stuff 18:47:19 From Alivia Michalski : Question your assumptions & opinions that you “take for granted" 18:47:26 From kel : Reacted to "Learning how to actu..." with ❤️ 18:47:32 From kel : Reacted to "Question your assump..." with ❤️ 18:47:46 From Amber they/them : We are going to need strong social cohesion to resist fascism, and this builds those skills 18:47:52 From Alan Webb : Reacted to "Learning how to actu..." with ❤️ 18:47:54 From Jonah : Find more creative solutions by pooling viewpoints. 18:48:00 From kel : Reacted to "We are going to need..." with ❤️ 18:48:02 From Julie Pitts : Reacted to "We are going to need..." with ❤️ 18:48:05 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "We are going to need..." with 👍 18:48:11 From Brooks : Reacted to "We are going to need…" with ❤️ 18:48:12 From Alan Webb : Reacted to "We are going to need..." with 💯 18:48:59 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Self governance taught me to practice Non Violent Communication and learn conflict resolution…..living (or doing our best!!) to live in right relationship 18:49:15 From Gillian Kerner : Prefigurative politics! 18:49:25 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Reacted to "Self governance taug..." with ❤️ 18:49:30 From Megan Krintz (she/her) : Reacted to "Prefigurative politi..." with ❤️ 18:49:32 From Gillian Kerner : Reacted to "We are going to need..." with 👏 18:49:33 From Alan Webb : Reacted to "Prefigurative politi..." with 🚀 18:51:21 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : We used holocracy when I worked for Dancing Rabbit’s non-profit…what’s the difference between sociocracy and holocracy? 18:51:32 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "We used holocracy wh..." with 🫥 18:51:34 From SJ Casciato : Removed a 🫥 reaction from "We used holocracy wh..." 19:04:38 From SJ Casciato : "default" conflict resolution methods to share? 19:06:46 From Alan Webb : Not default, but here’s an example (resource) for one community I’m part of SJ: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15amrbzTnOOQIKtXRmNztRnUBSKcBCkxUsCMGva8TCzA/edit?tab=t.0 19:07:02 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "Not default, but her..." with 👍 19:07:05 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Non-Violent Communication primer: https://www.schooltransformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Kendrick_NVC_Materials.pdf 19:07:49 From SJ Casciato : Removed a 👍 reaction from "Not default, but her..." 19:07:57 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "Non-Violent Communic..." with 👍 19:08:02 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "Not default, but her..." with 👍 19:09:46 From SJ Casciato : thats okay others shared good resources 19:10:26 From Alan Webb : A lot of conflict processes simple say some version of: we’ll try to work it out together… if doesn’t work, we’ll use this particular tool/process… if that doesn’t work, we’ll bring in outside facilitation… if that doesn’t work, we’ll use (legal) mediation 19:12:10 From kel : zev, would an online version of a conflict systems workshop be available through you/elsewhere? i'm based in a different state 19:13:20 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : Right and like Alan is I think implying, tools are useful, but if the people involved don’t have relational attunement, trust, and capacity to be really vulnerable and confront the underlying power dynamics and histories of hurt that are usually underneath conflict, then the tools will be hijacked by unconscious use of power 19:14:04 From Alan Webb : Reacted to "Right and like Alan ..." with 💯 19:14:33 From kel : Reacted to "Right and like Alan ..." with 👍 19:22:29 From Brooks : Reacted to "Right and like Alan …" with ❤️ 19:23:14 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : In NC, as long as investors are $5k or less, it doesn’t trigger securities laws 19:23:23 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "In NC, as long as in..." with 👍 19:23:32 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : So a strategy is to gather lots of investors at 5k or less per investor 19:23:45 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : Real estate investment cooperative is one way to do this 19:27:01 From CJ OReilly : I think the 5K or less investment thing is the crowdfunding structure which does require some special filing, so take care soliciting any loan without conferring with a lawyer :) 19:27:05 From Laura : Reacted to "Right and like Alan ..." with ❤️ 19:28:05 From Alan Webb : See: Community Arts Stabilization Trust (Oakland) 19:28:13 From Gillian Kerner : Using the same tactic but for a different group of people 19:28:20 From SJ Casciato : yes, we encountered this. past seller wouldn't wait for us to buy land cooperatively... 19:28:43 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : More info on savings pools on our website 19:29:46 From Sandeep Prakash : Reacted to More info on savings... with "👍" 19:34:30 From SJ Casciato : so much communicating needed! how do you find the time!? 19:36:36 From Mikel : We all choose how to prioritize our time. There's definitely ways to live that require much less communication. It's like being single vs married. 19:37:22 From Kira Lee : Reacted to "We all choose how to..." with 👍🏼 19:37:51 From Amber they/them : Yeah I think it depends on your circumstances. 19:37:57 From nathanmorrison : Good enough for now, safe enough to try 19:38:04 From Jonah : Reacted to "We all choose how to..." with 👍 19:38:17 From Jonah : Removed a 👍 reaction from "We all choose how to..." 19:38:23 From Jonah : Reacted to "We all choose how to..." with 👍 19:38:47 From Kira Lee : Do you all find that being in partnership or living in community requires more communication? Or about the same? 19:39:03 From Mikel : 10x 19:39:21 From SJ Casciato : I'm wondering about how members find the time practically speaking. what works? weekly meetings of an hour? Topically based meetings for those involved in those roles? 19:39:39 From Mikel : Reacted to "I'm wondering about ..." with 👍 19:41:47 From Sandeep Prakash : Any resources for holocracy applied to coop living communities? 19:43:00 From kel : how might all this apply to two roommates looking to buy one home together equitably? 19:46:42 From Sandeep Prakash : Any suggestions for practical steps for finding individuals who might align for a core group? 19:47:55 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : SJ Casciato, another idea is to work with some other practical functions, like meal times, childcare, gardening, running a business… integrate the meetings with other things so it feels like a value gain not just ANOTHER thing 19:48:38 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Sandeep, there’s also the map/list on www.ic.org…and a bunch of Facebook groups titled things like “Ecovillage Seekers” 19:48:48 From Sandeep Prakash : That's exactly the problem I want to circumvent thanks 19:48:56 From SJ Casciato : Reacted to "SJ Casciato, another..." with 🩶 19:49:04 From Sandeep Prakash : Reacted to Sandeep, there’s als... with "👍" 19:50:04 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : Sandeep Prakash from living at earthaven I’d say that finding people with a confluence of 1) truly shared values and priorities at a pretty granular level and 2) chemistry and emotional attunement naturally occurring in a group, both these things are totally necessary, neither one is sufficient on its own… so to this end, one way to think about finding and testing compatibility is to create “successive opportunities for deepening trust and risk" 19:50:31 From Sandeep Prakash : Reacted to Sandeep Prakash from... with "❤️" 19:50:50 From Sandeep Prakash : Replying to "Sandeep Prakash from..." Love that way of looking at thank you 19:51:31 From Zev Friedman (he/him), Cooperate WNC : Ways to feel the benefits of cooperation and have lower risk, then invite another layer of depth and risk, then another, leading towards co-ownership of land… if it’s a scale of 10 with 10 being most intimate and risky like being in partnership with children, then co-owning land is probably an 8.5… so what are the 1, 3 5, 7 on this scale? 19:51:46 From Grace Statwick (she/they) : Reacted to "Ways to feel the ben..." with 👍 19:52:10 From Sandeep Prakash : Reacted to Ways to feel the ben... with "👍" 19:52:10 From Jonah : Thanks much CJ…. great presentation! 🙂 19:52:44 From Sandeep Prakash : Thank you, very informative presentation. 19:52:45 From Alan Webb : Yes, thank you CJ! 19:54:03 From SJ Casciato : Thanks CJ and Zev and all for participating and collaborating and sharing ideas, questions and resources! this was inspiring! baby steps being taken! 19:54:17 From Mikel : Reacted to "Thanks CJ and Zev an..." with ❤️ 19:54:19 From SJ Casciato : I'm doing bulk potatoes! yay! 19:56:08 From Anna (she/her) : Thanks all! 19:56:33 From Lauren Stickels : Thank you all! 19:57:03 From Kira Lee : Thanks y’all!